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	<description>Dada, bring my beer in the living room</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/04/19/physical-plant/#comment-27957</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I now live in a 28 story building in Seattle.  Previously, I have always had a house with a vegetable garden and an ornamental garden.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now that my gardening space is limited to a 8'x6'deck, I decided to focus on edible plants(I really hate spending $2 on those tiny packets of herbs).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Besides planning to grow the obvious tomatoes and basil, a friend gave me a fig plant!  And also I want to track down an Meyer Lemon tree.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think it is so funny that you end your post by writing that you planted seeds.  I think that is exactly what Pollen was advocating.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The superior taste and the recognition of the work it takes to grow food using fewer resources - these all will make us more aware of what is at stake.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh, and sticking it to the man (insert evil agri-corporation name here)is always fun.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now live in a 28 story building in Seattle.  Previously, I have always had a house with a vegetable garden and an ornamental garden.</p>

<p>Now that my gardening space is limited to a 8&#8217;x6&#8217;deck, I decided to focus on edible plants(I really hate spending $2 on those tiny packets of herbs).</p>

<p>Besides planning to grow the obvious tomatoes and basil, a friend gave me a fig plant!  And also I want to track down an Meyer Lemon tree.  </p>

<p>I think it is so funny that you end your post by writing that you planted seeds.  I think that is exactly what Pollen was advocating.</p>

<p>The superior taste and the recognition of the work it takes to grow food using fewer resources - these all will make us more aware of what is at stake.  </p>

<p>Oh, and sticking it to the man (insert evil agri-corporation name here)is always fun.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/04/19/physical-plant/#comment-27946</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is why you should be growing your own food...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/22/we-regret-to-inform-you/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why you should be growing your own food&#8230;</p>

<p><a href="http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/22/we-regret-to-inform-you/" rel="nofollow">http://sharonastyk.com/2008/04/22/we-regret-to-inform-you/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Caroline Cummins</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/04/19/physical-plant/#comment-27934</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Michael Pollan is known these days as the Food Reformer, but back before he got famous, he wrote a heckuva lot about gardening. In other words, he was a Garden Guy before he was a Food Guy. He's naturally biased in favor of growing your own. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fritz Haeg's new Edible Estates book includes an essay from Pollan's book Second Nature. Even if you're not into gardening, the book is an entertaining read — and if you hate to garden, the essay (also in Haeg's book) featuring Pollan's dad refusing to mow his lawn is pretty great.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Pollan is known these days as the Food Reformer, but back before he got famous, he wrote a heckuva lot about gardening. In other words, he was a Garden Guy before he was a Food Guy. He&#8217;s naturally biased in favor of growing your own. </p>

<p>Fritz Haeg&#8217;s new Edible Estates book includes an essay from Pollan&#8217;s book Second Nature. Even if you&#8217;re not into gardening, the book is an entertaining read — and if you hate to garden, the essay (also in Haeg&#8217;s book) featuring Pollan&#8217;s dad refusing to mow his lawn is pretty great.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/04/19/physical-plant/#comment-27906</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just read this article by Tea about gardening in San Francisco:
http://ediblesanfrancisco.com/index.php/2008011251/Winter-2008/Winter-2008/ENVISIONING-VICTORY.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Subsidies and support for urban gardeners sound good.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this article by Tea about gardening in San Francisco:
<a href="http://ediblesanfrancisco.com/index.php/2008011251/Winter-2008/Winter-2008/ENVISIONING-VICTORY.html" rel="nofollow">http://ediblesanfrancisco.com/index.php/2008011251/Winter-2008/Winter-2008/ENVISIONING-VICTORY.html</a></p>

<p>Subsidies and support for urban gardeners sound good.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/04/19/physical-plant/#comment-27862</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, Natalie, that sounds like a great discussion, but I suppose that would be better done elsewhere.  :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I really did go check out a Jane Jacobs book from the library today.  I couldn't help it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Matthew, I think your points about apartment living/dense cities are good ones, even if they do come from a love of apartment living.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Natalie, that sounds like a great discussion, but I suppose that would be better done elsewhere.  :-)</p>

<p>I really did go check out a Jane Jacobs book from the library today.  I couldn&#8217;t help it.</p>

<p>Matthew, I think your points about apartment living/dense cities are good ones, even if they do come from a love of apartment living.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had a coworker once who lived in a loft in the Pearl District, from which she observed her neighbor drive his Hummer 2 blocks to the gym.  To me, the issue isn’t where you live, but how you live.  New Yorkers and other city dwellers may use less gasoline because they can more easily walk to their destinations or access mass transit, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t overheat their homes, leave all the lights on, waste water, buy lamb and apples from New Zealand, buy clothing made in sweat shops halfway around the world and/or fail to recycle.  Not every person living in a single family home is an energy eating monster either.  Portland isn’t known for a lot of apartment living, but you can’t turn around in this city without running into someone who commutes by bike, buys local, recycles, composts, has a rain barrel or a hybrid car – or all of the above.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the cost of living issue is huge.  I’d greatly prefer to live closer to the city center, but cannot afford to.  Farmers’ Markets are indeed expensive – though we do shop at them (we have a CSA, actually).  Sure, there are ways to shop with savvy, but let’s not even begin to discuss how poverty is about so much more than a lack of money.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a coworker once who lived in a loft in the Pearl District, from which she observed her neighbor drive his Hummer 2 blocks to the gym.  To me, the issue isn’t where you live, but how you live.  New Yorkers and other city dwellers may use less gasoline because they can more easily walk to their destinations or access mass transit, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t overheat their homes, leave all the lights on, waste water, buy lamb and apples from New Zealand, buy clothing made in sweat shops halfway around the world and/or fail to recycle.  Not every person living in a single family home is an energy eating monster either.  Portland isn’t known for a lot of apartment living, but you can’t turn around in this city without running into someone who commutes by bike, buys local, recycles, composts, has a rain barrel or a hybrid car – or all of the above.</p>

<p>And the cost of living issue is huge.  I’d greatly prefer to live closer to the city center, but cannot afford to.  Farmers’ Markets are indeed expensive – though we do shop at them (we have a CSA, actually).  Sure, there are ways to shop with savvy, but let’s not even begin to discuss how poverty is about so much more than a lack of money.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mamster</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/04/19/physical-plant/#comment-27831</link>
		<dc:creator>mamster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kathleen, sorry to make you spend your morning thinking about my deliberately provocative blog post, and thanks to you (and Susan) for the great points.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The point I was trying to make is: to Pollan, and I think to most people, having more gardens is an obvious environmental win. To me, that's not obvious at all. To me, environmentalism looks like a high-rise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But that's easy for me to say. In answer to your question, Kathleen, about whether the environmental benefits of high-density living make it worth the cost, I should admit that for me, the environmental benefits aren't part of the calculus at all. I enjoy apartment living, which sure makes it easy to prescribe to everyone else.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That's where I see Pollan coming from, too. We know he likes to garden. He's written a whole book on the topic. Any time I find the universe seeming to align in favor of my habits, I should check myself for hubris. (Would any of my readers disagree? Didn't think so.) I'm now imagining a parody of the Pollan column about how everyone should learn to build wooden boats, because the sea is going to rise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have approximately zero interest in gardening. I think it's possible to be a good cook, a contributing member of society, an environmentalist, and a nice guy without being a gardener.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, sorry to make you spend your morning thinking about my deliberately provocative blog post, and thanks to you (and Susan) for the great points.</p>

<p>The point I was trying to make is: to Pollan, and I think to most people, having more gardens is an obvious environmental win. To me, that&#8217;s not obvious at all. To me, environmentalism looks like a high-rise.</p>

<p>But that&#8217;s easy for me to say. In answer to your question, Kathleen, about whether the environmental benefits of high-density living make it worth the cost, I should admit that for me, the environmental benefits aren&#8217;t part of the calculus at all. I enjoy apartment living, which sure makes it easy to prescribe to everyone else.</p>

<p>That&#8217;s where I see Pollan coming from, too. We know he likes to garden. He&#8217;s written a whole book on the topic. Any time I find the universe seeming to align in favor of my habits, I should check myself for hubris. (Would any of my readers disagree? Didn&#8217;t think so.) I&#8217;m now imagining a parody of the Pollan column about how everyone should learn to build wooden boats, because the sea is going to rise.</p>

<p>I have approximately zero interest in gardening. I think it&#8217;s possible to be a good cook, a contributing member of society, an environmentalist, and a nice guy without being a gardener.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/04/19/physical-plant/#comment-27828</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Okay, I've been thinking about this all morning, and I have a question (or three):  How many of us could afford to live in New York?  Do the environmental benefits make it worth the cost?  Or, is it like organic food -- if we had more New York Cities, would the cost of living come down?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And Susan has good points as well.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ve been thinking about this all morning, and I have a question (or three):  How many of us could afford to live in New York?  Do the environmental benefits make it worth the cost?  Or, is it like organic food &#8212; if we had more New York Cities, would the cost of living come down?</p>

<p>And Susan has good points as well.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/04/19/physical-plant/#comment-27822</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The point I think you missed is that growing your own food makes you less dependent on the Chinese rice farmer and the conglomerate trucking companies and OPEC when stocking your pantry. Sure, you're not likely to grow your own rice, but you may end up eating a completely different, healthier variety of food as a result of the abundance of food you've grown in pots on your urban balcony. And when your neighbor offers you eggplant in exchange for your surplus tomatoes, you've expanded your diet and your community that much more, while further reducing your dependence on others to stock your pantry. You don't need an acre of land and trips to the overpriced garden center every weekend to grow some lettuce and tomatoes and peas and eggplant and peppers. You don't even need a yard.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not everyone can afford to shop at the farmer's market and Whole Foods and Uwajimaya for all their grocery needs. A little urban gardening can ease the ever-increasing burden of grocery costs by providing nearly-free (seeds, sun, and dirt!), organic, fabulous-tasting produce during the growing season. And if your balcony or back deck or front yard is just a little bigger, or you've gotten to the top of the p-patch list, you may can and dry and freeze that produce to get your family through much of the winter as well. Then, maybe you can spend what grocery dollars you have available to support local organic farmers, artisan cheese makers, and fabulous bakeries.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point I think you missed is that growing your own food makes you less dependent on the Chinese rice farmer and the conglomerate trucking companies and OPEC when stocking your pantry. Sure, you&#8217;re not likely to grow your own rice, but you may end up eating a completely different, healthier variety of food as a result of the abundance of food you&#8217;ve grown in pots on your urban balcony. And when your neighbor offers you eggplant in exchange for your surplus tomatoes, you&#8217;ve expanded your diet and your community that much more, while further reducing your dependence on others to stock your pantry. You don&#8217;t need an acre of land and trips to the overpriced garden center every weekend to grow some lettuce and tomatoes and peas and eggplant and peppers. You don&#8217;t even need a yard.</p>

<p>Not everyone can afford to shop at the farmer&#8217;s market and Whole Foods and Uwajimaya for all their grocery needs. A little urban gardening can ease the ever-increasing burden of grocery costs by providing nearly-free (seeds, sun, and dirt!), organic, fabulous-tasting produce during the growing season. And if your balcony or back deck or front yard is just a little bigger, or you&#8217;ve gotten to the top of the p-patch list, you may can and dry and freeze that produce to get your family through much of the winter as well. Then, maybe you can spend what grocery dollars you have available to support local organic farmers, artisan cheese makers, and fabulous bakeries.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/04/19/physical-plant/#comment-27820</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Groan...as I plant my garden...I need to go re-read Jane Jacobs.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Groan&#8230;as I plant my garden&#8230;I need to go re-read Jane Jacobs.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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