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		<title>By: mamster</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2006/08/18/real-food-fake-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4397</link>
		<dc:creator>mamster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eat_Nopal, thanks for the comment. I guess my answer is that I agree a little bit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Taking your argument to its logical conclusion leads to raw-foodism. But cooking was a tremendous advance in human nutrition, even though we&#039;ve only been cooking for a small fraction of our existence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This doesn&#039;t mean that I think the Twinkie is a similar advance. But the belief that &quot;what is natural is good&quot; so commonly leads to trouble that there&#039;s a name for it: the naturalistic fallacy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To me, the common-sense approach is to eat a wide variety of foods and figure that you will get some of whatever is beneficial about them but avoid large doses of whatever is harmful.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eat_Nopal, thanks for the comment. I guess my answer is that I agree a little bit.</p>

<p>Taking your argument to its logical conclusion leads to raw-foodism. But cooking was a tremendous advance in human nutrition, even though we&#8217;ve only been cooking for a small fraction of our existence.</p>

<p>This doesn&#8217;t mean that I think the Twinkie is a similar advance. But the belief that &#8220;what is natural is good&#8221; so commonly leads to trouble that there&#8217;s a name for it: the naturalistic fallacy.</p>

<p>To me, the common-sense approach is to eat a wide variety of foods and figure that you will get some of whatever is beneficial about them but avoid large doses of whatever is harmful.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eat_Nopal</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2006/08/18/real-food-fake-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4373</link>
		<dc:creator>Eat_Nopal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great points on the pseudo-science of Nina Planck, and without a doubt we have many comforts, medical &amp; technological improvements for which we must thank the scientific method.  However, I would like to ask your thoughts on Common Sense &amp; Holistic Approaches.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My wife is an M.S. in Nutrition and an R.D... and I have read more studies in the Jouranal of American Dietary Association than I can number - it is quite evident that the scientific establishments gets caught up in these linear experiements that tend to just explain one tiny piece of a huge puzzle, and often ignore the interrelationships between the pieces.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have full confidence that someday, many centuries from now, the scientists will have a decent understanding of the relationship between food &amp; health, but giving how many times they have been wrong aboout things like Vioxx &amp; even Tylenol and countless other topics, it would be foolish to make decision solely based on what the scientific community has established.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To me, common sense says that since Homo Sapiens have existed for about 130,000 years... and in that time we have spent more than 92% of our existence as hunter gatherers... that evolution has created our bodies to flourish as hunter gatherers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So just taking a common sense approach to risk management would say that we are best off eating like hunter gatherers as much as adjusting for our post-industrial lifestyles.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So yes it may be true that sugars &amp; refined carbs aren&#039;t necessarily poision for us... but pragmatically we should minimize their consumption.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you in advance for your response.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points on the pseudo-science of Nina Planck, and without a doubt we have many comforts, medical &amp; technological improvements for which we must thank the scientific method.  However, I would like to ask your thoughts on Common Sense &amp; Holistic Approaches.</p>

<p>My wife is an M.S. in Nutrition and an R.D&#8230; and I have read more studies in the Jouranal of American Dietary Association than I can number - it is quite evident that the scientific establishments gets caught up in these linear experiements that tend to just explain one tiny piece of a huge puzzle, and often ignore the interrelationships between the pieces.</p>

<p>I have full confidence that someday, many centuries from now, the scientists will have a decent understanding of the relationship between food &amp; health, but giving how many times they have been wrong aboout things like Vioxx &amp; even Tylenol and countless other topics, it would be foolish to make decision solely based on what the scientific community has established.</p>

<p>To me, common sense says that since Homo Sapiens have existed for about 130,000 years&#8230; and in that time we have spent more than 92% of our existence as hunter gatherers&#8230; that evolution has created our bodies to flourish as hunter gatherers.</p>

<p>So just taking a common sense approach to risk management would say that we are best off eating like hunter gatherers as much as adjusting for our post-industrial lifestyles.</p>

<p>So yes it may be true that sugars &amp; refined carbs aren&#8217;t necessarily poision for us&#8230; but pragmatically we should minimize their consumption.</p>

<p>Thank you in advance for your response.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2006/08/18/real-food-fake-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re: medicine...exactly my point, mamster, medical practice suffers from fuzziness about what is scientific and what is tradition...the key is to be clear.  Medicine has been making all kinds of whopping mistakes by basing practices on incomplete seemingly scientific observations (hormone replacement therapy is a great example).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The same should go for deciding what is healthy to eat...we can try to learn from science but we&#039;re probably not going to get very far and we might end up with whopping mistakes instead (margarine, anyone?).  Since this whole industrial civilization experiment is barely a blip in the history of our species, it seems to make a lot of sense to stick to the foods that allowed humanity to survive to this point (hint: there wasn&#039;t any high-fructose corp syrup involved...)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: medicine&#8230;exactly my point, mamster, medical practice suffers from fuzziness about what is scientific and what is tradition&#8230;the key is to be clear.  Medicine has been making all kinds of whopping mistakes by basing practices on incomplete seemingly scientific observations (hormone replacement therapy is a great example).</p>

<p>The same should go for deciding what is healthy to eat&#8230;we can try to learn from science but we&#8217;re probably not going to get very far and we might end up with whopping mistakes instead (margarine, anyone?).  Since this whole industrial civilization experiment is barely a blip in the history of our species, it seems to make a lot of sense to stick to the foods that allowed humanity to survive to this point (hint: there wasn&#8217;t any high-fructose corp syrup involved&#8230;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mamster</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2006/08/18/real-food-fake-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1448</link>
		<dc:creator>mamster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If that&#039;s what you&#039;re looking for, Vince, then you&#039;re going to love this book!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re looking for, Vince, then you&#8217;re going to love this book!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2006/08/18/real-food-fake-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In my experience, step 3 of the pseudo-scientific method is to selectively seek out evidence that supports one&#039;s hypothesis, actually more damaging than simply skipping the step...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, step 3 of the pseudo-scientific method is to selectively seek out evidence that supports one&#8217;s hypothesis, actually more damaging than simply skipping the step&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had been hoping to attend Ms. Planck&#039;s talk at the Columbia City Market, but couldn&#039;t get away from work early enough. Now I&#039;m glad that I didn&#039;t. Thanks for removing one small regret from my life.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been hoping to attend Ms. Planck&#8217;s talk at the Columbia City Market, but couldn&#8217;t get away from work early enough. Now I&#8217;m glad that I didn&#8217;t. Thanks for removing one small regret from my life.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mamster</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2006/08/18/real-food-fake-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1439</link>
		<dc:creator>mamster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the comments, folks. Although I was sort of hoping for angry comments from health food nuts or something.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ken, I&#039;m sure there is much in modern medicine that won&#039;t stand up to scrutiny over the long term, and doctors cling to their superstitions as much as anyone else. (Hormone replacement therapy is the obvious big recent debunking.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But one point I was trying to make is that it&#039;s not surprising that we know so little about diet and health, because it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;extremely&lt;/em&gt; hard to do that kind of experiment. And while the scientific method is the only way we&#039;ve come up with to separate truths about the natural world from fiction, it&#039;s not intuitive. The normal way for people to figure out what&#039;s true is to to deduce from observations. It&#039;s been successful enough that it&#039;s our natural form of problem solving.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Er, where was I going with this?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, folks. Although I was sort of hoping for angry comments from health food nuts or something.</p>

<p>Ken, I&#8217;m sure there is much in modern medicine that won&#8217;t stand up to scrutiny over the long term, and doctors cling to their superstitions as much as anyone else. (Hormone replacement therapy is the obvious big recent debunking.)</p>

<p>But one point I was trying to make is that it&#8217;s not surprising that we know so little about diet and health, because it&#8217;s <em>extremely</em> hard to do that kind of experiment. And while the scientific method is the only way we&#8217;ve come up with to separate truths about the natural world from fiction, it&#8217;s not intuitive. The normal way for people to figure out what&#8217;s true is to to deduce from observations. It&#8217;s been successful enough that it&#8217;s our natural form of problem solving.</p>

<p>Er, where was I going with this?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, thnak you for your 1-minute version of the scientific method vs the pseudo-scientific method!  I will use it every time I am trying to explain why &quot;the latest study&quot; reported in the news doesn&#039;t conslusively prove anything.  I am a physician and I cringe every time I hear that stuff, and always have a hard time explaining to friends who &quot;don&#039;t believe in&quot; standard medicine but are ready to buy into any number of schemes if people tell them they are &quot;proven&quot; and organic, or natural, or homeopathic etc etc.  On the other hand, you also concisely point out how little solid evidence there is behind most standard medical practice and recommendations.  Really, this post sums up the essence of what everyone should learn in school, yet, when you see what&#039;s happening in places like Kansas (or the White House) you know our education system fails most Americans.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thnak you for your 1-minute version of the scientific method vs the pseudo-scientific method!  I will use it every time I am trying to explain why &#8220;the latest study&#8221; reported in the news doesn&#8217;t conslusively prove anything.  I am a physician and I cringe every time I hear that stuff, and always have a hard time explaining to friends who &#8220;don&#8217;t believe in&#8221; standard medicine but are ready to buy into any number of schemes if people tell them they are &#8220;proven&#8221; and organic, or natural, or homeopathic etc etc.  On the other hand, you also concisely point out how little solid evidence there is behind most standard medical practice and recommendations.  Really, this post sums up the essence of what everyone should learn in school, yet, when you see what&#8217;s happening in places like Kansas (or the White House) you know our education system fails most Americans.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tater</title>
		<link>http://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2006/08/18/real-food-fake-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1427</link>
		<dc:creator>Tater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Right on!  I&#039;m an epidemiology graduate student and an enthusiastic farmers market shopper.  I heard about 5 minutes of her talk at the Columbia City Farmers Market, shook my head in disgust at her &quot;scientific&quot; conclusions, and did my shopping.  I greatly appreciate her work in starting farmers markets (and her food samples were great), but this missuse of scientific studies drives me batty, and I find it prevalent in both food and natural health circles.  While pointed, I think your comments on the book are fair.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on!  I&#8217;m an epidemiology graduate student and an enthusiastic farmers market shopper.  I heard about 5 minutes of her talk at the Columbia City Farmers Market, shook my head in disgust at her &#8220;scientific&#8221; conclusions, and did my shopping.  I greatly appreciate her work in starting farmers markets (and her food samples were great), but this missuse of scientific studies drives me batty, and I find it prevalent in both food and natural health circles.  While pointed, I think your comments on the book are fair.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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